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From: [e-mail] (Titanium Knight)
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Subject: * Discussion with ex-intelligence agent
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Date: 1 Jun 93 11:58:31 GMT
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File: spook.txt

A Dialogue with a former member of the Intelligence Community

  This  summer,   while on vacation back to my families  residence,   I
encountered a family friend that I had not seen since 1973. For obvious
reasons  I  will not identify him,  but for this record will  call  him
"Paul".  Paul is retired from over 30 years of distinguished government
service, is a widower, and is one of the most closed mouthed men I have
ever known. When I first came back from Viet Nam in 1972, I saw Paul at
a family get together, and even though he was just back from South East
Asia,  he never mentioned it.  I found out through his brother.  When I
went back east, I had taken a number of text files from my records, for
my  sister,  who is fascinated by the subject of UFO's.  It so happened
that  one evening,  my sister and I and wife and another friend,   Bob,
were  sitting outside my mothers house,  and were discussing several of
the files that I had taken back.  Paul stopped out at the house,  as he
was  going to a function with his sister and my mother.  He sat down on
the  patio  with us,  and as usual,  did not say much.  My  sister  was
reading the file concerned with the Majestic 12  papers and making some
comments,   that if this file was for real,  the implications of  alien
contact  could be staggering for the world if verified.  At this  point
Paul  leaned forward and asked if he could see the papers.   My  sister
passed  several of the texts to him,  and until he left,  he spent  the
remainder of his time reading them.  Just before he left, he got me off
to the side, and asked how I was involved with UFO's. I told him that I
was an investigator for MUFON, and was involved with a computer network
system with Paranet.  This was the first of several conversations I had
with Paul,  and I don't ask anyone to believe it,  because, frankly,  I
have  problems with several things he told me.  And you may wonder  why
Paul  would tell me anything,  considering his government service,  and
the  agency he worked for.  To begin with,  Paul is very ill,  the last
time  I spoke with him,  he told me that he doesn't expect to be around
for more than 18 months, maximum. Next, he told me that he never agreed
with  all the secrecy that surrounded the government and the subject of
UFO's.  And lastly,  what he hinted at was actually occuring seemed  to
haunt  him.   As he said,  there wasn't a hell of a lot that  even  the
government was able to do about the situation. I present the following,
and you can make up your own mind about whether to believe or not.

  This  summer past ( 1988  )  was the 20th reunion of my High  School.
This  was the reason that I traveled back,  and besides,  my wife is in
love  with the east coast.  While back,  I  became ill,  and  ended  up
spending  almost two weeks in the hospital.  Paul came and visited  me,
and this is how we ended having the several conversations that we had.

  Paul  at first asked if I realized what dangers were present  in  the
subject of UFO's.  I said "No",  but I had heard rumors that this could
be the case. He said you damned betcha it could.  "If you stumbled over
the right information you could end up among the missing, and Don, this
sure as hell wouldn't be the first time."

  I  asked  him how he came to know so much about the subject,  and  he
said  with the job he held,  it was his business to know about a lot of
things.  I then said come on Paul, I  had dealings with spooks while in
Viet Nam, so don't try that line on me. He told me then,  that this was
to his knowledge,  still one of the most highly classified subjects  in
the intelligence community . That brought to mind the "Smith Memo" from
the 50's,  and I relayed it to Paul. I  mentioned that Smith had stated
that the subject of UFO's had been rated higher than the H bomb, and in
perspective,  was this still the case? Pauls reply follows, and for the
purposes of this file, I have condensed into one session our talks.

  In the 40's, when the "flying saucer" scare started, the military and
government  were  concerned that it was possible that the  Soviets  had
made  a breakthrough in technology with their German scientists,   that
our  German scientists had not been able to duplicate.  It then  became
evident that this technology was above and beyond what we were able  to
achieve,  so the phenomenon had to come from outside. For a while there
was  a deadlock as to what to do,  but then apparently the military was
able to secure one of the craft. I asked Paul if he meant Roswell,  and
he only smiled.  He said to read the MJ 12 stuff again, that there were
enough  facts to get an idea of what he was talking about.  After that,
it was apparent that the technology was well above what we were capable
of.   There  were  fears among certain people that this  could  be  the
prelude  to  invasion,  or possibly even worse.  Others saw this  as  a
straight  shot  to technology that we couldn't even dream of,   and  to
exploit  everything we could out of it.  Paul stated that there  was  a
genuine  fear that if the Soviets could get one of these,  and  exploit
it,  the United States would be in deep excrement.  There was a  "think
tank"  that was set up, and the decision for secrecy was understandable
in  that  scenario.   Many  of these craft  were  flying  over  nuclear
installations, and one thought at the time was that they could be after
uranium among other things, if they were, as believed then, coming from
a "dying"  planet. I asked if at that time,  were they considered to be
benign,  and Paul said yes, they were, but then several things happened
to change that idea. He would not elaborate, so I mentioned the Mantell
incident,  and he said that is the most well known case, but there were
others, and some very bizarre.

  The  think tank that was set up in the 40's were concerned that  some
of these cases would become public knowledge, and they still remembered
the "War of the Worlds" scare that Wells threw into the public in 1938.
They  did  not  want a panic that could affect  the  nations  security,
commerce, industry, finances and so forth. The result was to debunk the
whole damn thing, and hope it would either go away, or they could solve
it in time before it did become public knowledge.

  I asked Paul about several cases that I read about in "Clear Intent",
one  of them being the Cuban Jet Incident.  Paul said that he had heard
about that,  he wouldn't say much,  but this is not the only case where
one of these objects had shot down aircraft,  "and it didn't all happen
outside the U. S. either".

  "Look",  he said, "if you were out in a very primitive area, and were
lost,   or hungry,  or what ever,  and came across a  primitive  native
tribe,  and I mean compared to you,  really primitive,  would you trade
with them, or take what you needed, food, women, whatever,  IF YOU WERE
VERY AMORAL?"  "Look, if in this case, you regard these natives as less
than  dirt,   and the only thing they have in common is that they  have
what  you  NEED."  You are familiar with the animal mutilations  aren't
you?  Many people think that this was a government sponsored operation,
testing chemicals or something.  Well, it wasn't,  and farm animals are
not the only thing that has been tested. The guys I know that are still
active have said that right now, is one of the biggest "UFO flaps" that
they have ever heard of,  and there is a lot of concern as to how  long
it can be kept secret.

  I hated to break in on Paul when he was talking this freely,  but had
to  ask  about  the reported astronaut  sightings.   Yes,   there  were
sightings on damn near all the "shots",  and it was always feared  that
the news services would pick up on some of the reports.  We did a  damn
good job of damage control though.  "Well Paul, what about reports that
these things have been seen on the moon?" I asked. "Yes" he said, "they
have been seen there, and some of this has come out, so I don't think I
am  breaking any oaths,  but , haven't you asked yourself why after all
the billions of dollars that we had spent to get to the moon, after the
early 70's No one, us or the Russians, have gone near the place."  Yes,
I  admitted,  I  had wondered why,  and then asked him if he knew  why.
Paul  just smiled and then pointed to the file that contained the  Lear
Text.  "You know",  he said,  "this guy has hit pretty close on several
points,  and I wonder if anyone has approached him?"  I  asked what  he
meant,  and he looked at me and said "Don,  you know what I mean,   and
after  all,  if a lot of the general public became aware of this,  they
would  scream like a mashed cat,  and demand to know what the hell  the
government is doing about it. The problem is, there are some that still
think  that they can control events and keep a lid on this,  and others
that  know we are way in over our head and are looking for a way  out."
Alright then, what are these things, where do they come from,  and what
DO  they want?  I  must have looked pretty exasperated then,  and  Paul
looked at me and gave me kind of what I thought was a sad smile.  "Don"
he said,  "I don't know where they come from, as to what they are, they
are very different, and as to what they want, you are gonna sleep a lot
better if I just go." And he did leave then.

  I haven't talked to Paul since I got back home, and just several days
go,   I   got  word  that he had a heart attack and  is  in  very  poor
condition.   I   have wondered about a lot of what he said,   and  have
decided that in lieu of keeping the whole thing to myself, I  would put
it on my word processor, and then make a decision whether to release it
or not.

  Paul  had  stated  on several occasions that  this  subject  had  the
potential  to be be very dangerous,  and to be careful of pursuing  it.
"With access to the right information,  if it became known, people have
disappeared." I don't think he was just trying to scare me, the guy had
been  a  professional  intelligence agent for longer than I  have  been
alive,  and I am sure he knew a hell of a lot more about this,  than  I
would  even want to.  He had mentioned several things,  that even now I
hesitate to put down,  but the thing that inclines me to accept what he
said,  was knowing a bit of what kind of man he was,  he seemed haunted
and scared.

  Well, in light of several things that have occured recently, with the
"New   and   Improved"   BlueBook,   which  I  might  add  I   distrust
wholeheartedly,  the meltdown within MUFON, the continuing "flap"  that
doesn't  show any signs of slowing down,  much less stopping,  and  the
fragmented  community of UFO investigators,  I  discussed this with  my
better half, and have decided to throw it out, and see where it landed.
Take it for what it is worth,  and remember, I have just relayed what I
was  told,   and  I did warn you up front that this was  almost  beyond
belief.

  Anyone with any additional information is requested to contact me  in
care of Paranet RHO at 1-208-338-9187.

Don F. Ecker-State

Section Director

MUFON, for the state of Idaho.

---  .
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